Fallout 3

So I have never played any of the Fallout games before.Is Fallout 3 going to be like, an RPG first shooter? kinda like what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. shadow of chernobyl was aiming at?I know that it was canceled by interplay, but Bethesda took control, this excites me to a large extent, and I pray that Bethesda will add some of the freeroam/rpg morrowind/oblivion elements to it.Anyone know what the gameplay is going to be like as of so far?Fallout 3
well, I don't know too much about how fallout is GOING to be, but I do know that it always had freeroaming to it. From the moment you left the vault (Fallout 1) or your village (Fallout 2) you could wander wherever you wanted, so hopefully it keeps it's free roaming goodness.What I hope will happen is they will keep turn based, wether it be action points, or KOTOR style combat, it hopeflly won't be a FPS... because thats just stupid, it takes from the tactical decisions which makes fallout a fun game for me to still play. Sorry i couldn't be of too much help.Fallout 3
[QUOTE=''Succumbus'']So I have never played any of the Fallout games before.Is Fallout 3 going to be like, an RPG first shooter? kinda like what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. shadow of chernobyl was aiming at?I know that it was canceled by interplay, but Bethesda took control, this excites me to a large extent, and I pray that Bethesda will add some of the freeroam/rpg morrowind/oblivion elements to it.Anyone know what the gameplay is going to be like as of so far?[/QUOTE](Based on previews)Yes, Fallout 3 is going to be an Action-RPG, like Oblivion and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.Bethesda is going to add many free-roaming elements to it, just like the previous Fallout games, and Beth's Elder Scrolls games.Gameplay, its going to be a combination of the Elder Scrolls first-person action and a similair RPG system like the other Fallout games.
[QUOTE=''HardcoreKiller2''][QUOTE=''Succumbus'']So I have never played any of the Fallout games before.Is Fallout 3 going to be like, an RPG first shooter? kinda like what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. shadow of chernobyl was aiming at?I know that it was canceled by interplay, but Bethesda took control, this excites me to a large extent, and I pray that Bethesda will add some of the freeroam/rpg morrowind/oblivion elements to it.Anyone know what the gameplay is going to be like as of so far?[/QUOTE](Based on previews)Yes, Fallout 3 is going to be an Action-RPG, like Oblivion and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.Bethesda is going to add many free-roaming elements to it, just like the previous Fallout games, and Beth's Elder Scrolls games.Gameplay, its going to be a combination of the Elder Scrolls first-person action and a similair RPG system like the other Fallout games. [/QUOTE]Nope, it's the lame real time with pause system. You do your first person shooting thing while the AP recharges letting you do ''special'' stuff like aimed shots. Think Max Payne with an AP gauge instead of the bullet time gauge.Did I mention that was lame? Yay for The Elder Scroll V: Fallout.
[QUOTE=''Erlkoenig''][QUOTE=''HardcoreKiller2''][QUOTE=''Succumbus'']So I have never played any of the Fallout games before.Is Fallout 3 going to be like, an RPG first shooter? kinda like what S.T.A.L.K.E.R. shadow of chernobyl was aiming at?I know that it was canceled by interplay, but Bethesda took control, this excites me to a large extent, and I pray that Bethesda will add some of the freeroam/rpg morrowind/oblivion elements to it.Anyone know what the gameplay is going to be like as of so far?[/QUOTE](Based on previews)Yes, Fallout 3 is going to be an Action-RPG, like Oblivion and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.Bethesda is going to add many free-roaming elements to it, just like the previous Fallout games, and Beth's Elder Scrolls games.Gameplay, its going to be a combination of the Elder Scrolls first-person action and a similair RPG system like the other Fallout games. [/QUOTE]Nope, it's the lame real time with pause system. You do your first person shooting thing while the AP recharges letting you do special things like aimed shots. Think Max Payne with an AP gauge instead of the bullet time gauge.Did I mention that was lame? Yay for The Elder Scroll V: Fallout.[/QUOTE]It is? Hmm, maybe I forgot to read that part in the article. That does indeed sound kinda lame, and also, thanks for the info. :)
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This is from an interview with Matt Miller, the guy working for Game Informer who has had first hand experience with the game. Q: Is the game turn based or real time?
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How's the V.A.T.S. combat system work again?
A: I talk about this a good bit in the July magazine article, but to be clear, Fallout 3 plays in both real time and a paused tactical combat mode. It's not really turn based, however. Instead, you can pause the real-time action in order to make aimed ranged or melee attacks on your opponents, smashing their legs to slow them down, or perhaps shooting an arm to hurt their weapon aim. Like in the original Fallout games, doing these aimed shots take action points, but since there are no turns, those AP recharge over time after unpausing the game. You can shoot in real time, but that will then slow your recharge rate. In practice, this means players have the option to play the game very much like an RPG, but with a good bit more action than traditional RPGs. Are there other details to the way this system works? Almost definitely, yes. Do we know all the answers to how V.A.T.S. works after seeing it in one demo? No. We're waiting just like you to find out more.Source
thanks for the informative posts =]anyone else?
Well, If you like Oblivion, you're definitely going to like this one as well. It's basically going to be Oblivion with guns (and nukes).
In relation to the AP, doing any kind of combat action whatsoever will slow down the AP recharge so it wont be like Oblivion's mana where it's constantly refreshing while you fight.Also, in Oblivion ammo (arrows) were plentiful, as was gear. They're trying to make it feel like you have to conserve your ammo this time around as it's largely a wasteland and supplies wouldn't be readily available everywhere.So how I'd imagine it will play out is you'll open combat by using your AP to add debuffs to your opponent (slow them, make their aim or strength drop, stun/confuse them) then do more carefully placed attacks via FPS system (though no word on if it will define hits to body parts doing more damage) so that your AP will have a chance to refresh allowing you to reapply or strengthen those debuffs. I just hope that with it being more of a range weapon game they wont have the same lightning speed movement like enemies in Oblivion have.Overall it will be quite a gameplay departure from what Fallout fansare used to. With some luck it will still resemble the series in more than just art style, but after Bethesda'sconsole focus with Oblivion I'm not expecting that they'll dig back into the PC gaming vaults to draw inspiration from where they should.
[QUOTE=''sircyrus'']In relation to the AP, doing any kind of combat action whatsoever will slow down the AP recharge so it wont be like Oblivion's mana where it's constantly refreshing while you fight.Also, in Oblivion ammo (arrows) were plentiful, as was gear. They're trying to make it feel like you have to conserve your ammo this time around as it's largely a wasteland and supplies wouldn't be readily available everywhere.So how I'd imagine it will play out is you'll open combat by using your AP to add debuffs to your opponent (slow them, make their aim or strength drop, stun/confuse them) then do more carefully placed attacks via FPS system (though no word on if it will define hits to body parts doing more damage) so that your AP will have a chance to refresh allowing you to reapply or strengthen those debuffs. I just hope that with it being more of a range weapon game they wont have the same lightning speed movement like enemies in Oblivion have.Overall it will be quite a gameplay departure from what Fallout fansare used to. With some luck it will still resemble the series in more than just art style, but after Bethesda'sconsole focus with Oblivion I'm not expecting that they'll dig back into the PC gaming vaults to draw inspiration from where they should.[/QUOTE]First, the AP will be constantly refreshing while you fight. Second, you say it won't be like Oblivion's mana just because it recharges more slowly when you're doing combat? I call that a small twist, not a difference. Instead of mana, you can think of it as ''fatigue,'' which regenerates faster when you're not doing anything.That point about ammo doesn't mean much. In the 2 original Fallouts there were some types of ammo you have to conserve and some types you load your car full of. Besides, you can point out a dozen superficial differences between FO3 and Oblivion and it doesn't make FO3 any less Oblivionish. It's still gonna be mainly a FPS with a special ability gauge.Now I would be fine with that if this was a different franchise, enjoy it, even. Bethesda calling it a faithful sequel to the originals pisses me off.
[QUOTE=''Erlkoenig'']First, the AP will be constantly refreshing while you fight. Second, you say it won't be like Oblivion's mana just because it recharges more slowly when you're doing combat? I call that a small twist, not a difference.[/quote]There's no such thing as a small twist - either it's the same or it's different. We don't know how much slower it will recover, it could be very significant. The point I was making is that in Oblivion you could fire off a staff, archery, or swing a weapon while waiting for mana to refresh. This time around any of that will slow the regeneration so if AP plays a big part in combat (which, honestly, I don't see them doing from what I've read) it will be something that you'll want to watch.[QUOTE=''Erlkoenig'']That point about ammo doesn't mean much. In the 2 original Fallouts there were some types of ammo you have to conserve and some types you load your car full of.[/quote]However we don't know how limited ammo will be this time around. We can speculate but for all we know it could be a limit where every shot is precious, or a limit where so long as you're not shooting at every wall trying to spell your name with bullet holes you'll be swimming in spare ammo. Personally I think it's more likely to be closer to the latter, as just how Oblivion was aimed towards casuals they appear to be taking the same outlook with this one.[QUOTE=''Erlkoenig'']It's still gonna be mainly a FPS with a special ability gauge.Now I would be fine with that if this was a different franchise, enjoy it, even. Bethesda calling it a faithful sequel to the originals pisses me off.[/QUOTE]Yep, I agree with you. I think we're in for a serious case of Fallbliviout.
This is the first time that Bethesda has made any of the Fallout series?Im guessing that the game will be different than the ones before FO3. I just hope it will be somewhat realtime combat, I wasnt too crazy about the KOTOR combat system. I more or less played KOTOR for the story, since it had a good one.I hope Fallout 3 is impressive, its already caught my eye.anyone else?
[QUOTE=''Succumbus'']This is the first time that Bethesda has made any of the Fallout series?Im guessing that the game will be different than the ones before FO3. I just hope it will be somewhat realtime combat, I wasnt too crazy about the KOTOR combat system. I more or less played KOTOR for the story, since it had a good one.I hope Fallout 3 is impressive, its already caught my eye.anyone else?[/QUOTE]You're an example of the target audience Bestheda is aiming for: folks who like accessible (read: easy and shallow) games that deliver the fun right away with non-stop action, folks who would cry a river if they were forced to play games like Planescape: Torment or the original Fallouts because they're too ''boring, slow and complicated.''This game is like a RPG-13 version of the gaming industry: ''throw a wide net, catch more audiences, make more money, and f^ck the fans''.

[QUOTE=''Erlkoenig''][QUOTE=''Succumbus'']This is the first time that Bethesda has made any of the Fallout series?Im guessing that the game will be different than the ones before FO3. I just hope it will be somewhat realtime combat, I wasnt too crazy about the KOTOR combat system. I more or less played KOTOR for the story, since it had a good one.I hope Fallout 3 is impressive, its already caught my eye.anyone else?[/QUOTE]You're an example of the target audience Bestheda is aiming for: folks who like accessible (read: easy and shallow) games that deliver the fun right away with non-stop action, folks who would cry a river if they were forced to play games like Planescape: Torment or the original Fallouts because they're too ''boring, slow and complicated.''This game is like a RPG-13 version of the gaming industry: ''throw a wide net, catch more audiences, make more money, and f^ck the fans''.
[/QUOTE]Sadly, this is exactly right. I don't hold much faith in Bethesda making a very faithful sequel.Thanks for ruining Fallout, Succumbus.jk... sorta
[QUOTE=''Dommius''] well, I don't know too much about how fallout is GOING to be, but I do know that it always had freeroaming to it. From the moment you left the vault (Fallout 1) or your village (Fallout 2) you could wander wherever you wanted, so hopefully it keeps it's free roaming goodness.What I hope will happen is they will keep turn based, wether it be action points, or KOTOR style combat, it hopeflly won't be a FPS... because thats just stupid, it takes from the tactical decisions which makes fallout a fun game for me to still play. Sorry i couldn't be of too much help.[/QUOTE] lol i think Bethesda is going to enlarge the free roaming :) and i'm sure the gameplay will be like Oblivion or hopefully like KotoR/Fable
[QUOTE=''Erlkoenig''][QUOTE=''Succumbus''] This is the first time that Bethesda has made any of the Fallout series?Im guessing that the game will be different than the ones before FO3. I just hope it will be somewhat realtime combat, I wasnt too crazy about the KOTOR combat system. I more or less played KOTOR for the story, since it had a good one.I hope Fallout 3 is impressive, its already caught my eye.anyone else?[/QUOTE]You're an example of the target audience Bestheda is aiming for: folks who like accessible (read: easy and shallow) games that deliver the fun right away with non-stop action, folks who would cry a river if they were forced to play games like Planescape: Torment or the original Fallouts because they're too ''boring, slow and complicated.''This game is like a RPG-13 version of the gaming industry: ''throw a wide net, catch more audiences, make more money, and f^ck the fans''.[/QUOTE] And you're the perfect example of a person who will not open your mind to change, and will push your elitist view of the series on others, as if it we're your own.Succumbus has shown real interest in the series, and all you can do is tell him he likes ''easy and shallow'' games. Who the hell are you to make that assumption? There's been next to no info on this game, yet you've clearly already made up your mind about it, and I'm sure you will take every opportunity to bash Bethesda for making it. Look, I agree Oblivion was a bit of a dissapointment, and I agree that the original Fallout's, as well as classics such as BG, Torment and Arcanum provide a deeper experience that will probably not be found in Fallout 3, but it's much too early to know for sure how the game will turn out. Yes, it will be different. That doesn't mean it won't be entertaining. And it certainly doesn't give you the right to shoot down anyone who's new to the series, and is showing interest in it.
[QUOTE=''TheCrazed420''][QUOTE=''Erlkoenig''][QUOTE=''Succumbus''] This is the first time that Bethesda has made any of the Fallout series?Im guessing that the game will be different than the ones before FO3. I just hope it will be somewhat realtime combat, I wasnt too crazy about the KOTOR combat system. I more or less played KOTOR for the story, since it had a good one.I hope Fallout 3 is impressive, its already caught my eye.anyone else?[/QUOTE]You're an example of the target audience Bestheda is aiming for: folks who like accessible (read: easy and shallow) games that deliver the fun right away with non-stop action, folks who would cry a river if they were forced to play games like Planescape: Torment or the original Fallouts because they're too ''boring, slow and complicated.''This game is like a RPG-13 version of the gaming industry: ''throw a wide net, catch more audiences, make more money, and f^ck the fans''.[/QUOTE] And you're the perfect example of a person who will not open your mind to change, and will push your elitist view of the series on others, as if it we're your own.Succumbus has shown real interest in the series, and all you can do is tell him he likes ''easy and shallow'' games. Who the hell are you to make that assumption? There's been next to no info on this game, yet you've clearly already made up your mind about it, and I'm sure you will take every opportunity to bash Bethesda for making it. Look, I agree Oblivion was a bit of a dissapointment, and I agree that the original Fallout's, as well as classics such as BG, Torment and Arcanum provide a deeper experience that will probably not be found in Fallout 3, but it's much too early to know for sure how the game will turn out. Yes, it will be different. That doesn't mean it won't be entertaining. And it certainly doesn't give you the right to shoot down anyone who's new to the series, and is showing interest in it. [/QUOTE]



Well said. Some folks are approaching this subject with way too much zeal.
[QUOTE=''JN_Fenrir''][QUOTE=''TheCrazed420''][QUOTE=''Erlkoenig''][QUOTE=''Succumbus''] This is the first time that Bethesda has made any of the Fallout series?Im guessing that the game will be different than the ones before FO3. I just hope it will be somewhat realtime combat, I wasnt too crazy about the KOTOR combat system. I more or less played KOTOR for the story, since it had a good one.I hope Fallout 3 is impressive, its already caught my eye.anyone else?[/QUOTE]You're an example of the target audience Bestheda is aiming for: folks who like accessible (read: easy and shallow) games that deliver the fun right away with non-stop action, folks who would cry a river if they were forced to play games like Planescape: Torment or the original Fallouts because they're too ''boring, slow and complicated.''This game is like a RPG-13 version of the gaming industry: ''throw a wide net, catch more audiences, make more money, and f^ck the fans''.[/QUOTE] And you're the perfect example of a person who will not open your mind to change, and will push your elitist view of the series on others, as if it we're your own.Succumbus has shown real interest in the series, and all you can do is tell him he likes ''easy and shallow'' games. Who the hell are you to make that assumption? There's been next to no info on this game, yet you've clearly already made up your mind about it, and I'm sure you will take every opportunity to bash Bethesda for making it. Look, I agree Oblivion was a bit of a dissapointment, and I agree that the original Fallout's, as well as classics such as BG, Torment and Arcanum provide a deeper experience that will probably not be found in Fallout 3, but it's much too early to know for sure how the game will turn out. Yes, it will be different. That doesn't mean it won't be entertaining. And it certainly doesn't give you the right to shoot down anyone who's new to the series, and is showing interest in it. [/QUOTE] Well said. Some folks are approaching this subject with way too much zeal.[/QUOTE]The fact that they're turning the game, something they're trying to market as a direct sequel, into an FPS already speaks volumes about who their target audience probably is for this game. It's understandable why fans are getting upset because this is basically a kick in the nuts for them, and considering beth's track record in trying to ''reinvent'' classic series (TES, star trek, etc.) i don't think it's irrational to think that beth will ruin this series as well.
[QUOTE=''Squeek37''][QUOTE=''Erlkoenig''][QUOTE=''Succumbus''] This is the first time that Bethesda has made any of the Fallout series?Im guessing that the game will be different than the ones before FO3. I just hope it will be somewhat realtime combat, I wasnt too crazy about the KOTOR combat system. I more or less played KOTOR for the story, since it had a good one.I hope Fallout 3 is impressive, its already caught my eye.anyone else?[/QUOTE]You're an example of the target audience Bestheda is aiming for: folks who like accessible (read: easy and shallow) games that deliver the fun right away with non-stop action, folks who would cry a river if they were forced to play games like Planescape: Torment or the original Fallouts because they're too ''boring, slow and complicated.''This game is like a RPG-13 version of the gaming industry: ''throw a wide net, catch more audiences, make more money, and f^ck the fans''.[/QUOTE]Sadly, this is exactly right. I don't hold much faith in Bethesda making a very faithful sequel.Thanks for ruining Fallout, Succumbus.jk... sorta[/QUOTE]I understand that what I said had a implement that Im some ''blind fan'' that just wants fun fun, but its not like that at all.I love story, and if fallout 3 doesnt have a decent story, its not going to hold my interest. I admit, i havent played the other fallouts, so Im not sure on what its all about, but if the game doesnt have structure, then Im not going to play it.Im sorry if I advertised myself as the innocent little fan who just wants a bunch of action and thats it. I like action, alot, in games, who the hell would not? Thats not what Im all about, though.Fallout 3 looks good, and I pray they hold the story. Can we just keep the posts to discussing that instead of how bethesda is targeting blind fans.thanks.anyone else?thanks.